Comments on: Your 2008 Most Valuable Padre is http://thesacrificebunt.com/852/your-2008-most-valuable-padre-is/ Padres bloggin' since 2007 Wed, 04 Apr 2012 08:13:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: The Sacrifice Bunt: A San Diego Padres Blog | Sacrificial Links: Flufftastic http://thesacrificebunt.com/852/your-2008-most-valuable-padre-is/comment-page-1/#comment-2455 The Sacrifice Bunt: A San Diego Padres Blog | Sacrificial Links: Flufftastic Thu, 12 Feb 2009 09:37:00 +0000 http://thesacrificebunt.com/?p=852#comment-2455 [...] when I said Brian Giles was one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball, and that pushed him past Adrian as the MVPadre for 08? Well, about that- The Hardball Times has [...] [...] when I said Brian Giles was one of the best defensive outfielders in baseball, and that pushed him past Adrian as the MVPadre for 08? Well, about that- The Hardball Times has [...]

]]> By: R. Lankford http://thesacrificebunt.com/852/your-2008-most-valuable-padre-is/comment-page-1/#comment-2217 R. Lankford Fri, 09 Jan 2009 09:47:54 +0000 http://thesacrificebunt.com/?p=852#comment-2217 Giles and Gonzalez did end the year pretty close in the offensive categories. Giles had five points on Gonzalez in EqA while Adrian had a two point lead in OPS+. But Giles still takes the edge in defense, I believe. While UZR is an incomplete statistic for assessing first baseman, which is where a list like Tangotiger's comes in handy, Adrian scored really poorly. (Although, now that I mention it, I should say that Tt's fan scouting report runs in contrast with what UZR says. It ranks Adrian as a 73 defender and Giles a 60. It also has Berkman at 66.) (And after mentioning that, I should mention that +/- has Berkman and Giles in the top 4 at their respective positions, while Adrian isn't in the top 10.) Either way, I stand by my stance that Giles was a superior defender in right than Adrian was at first. And one thing I didn't bring up in the article was the important of the positions they play. Using Fangraph's value wins statistic (which are mentioned in the article), Giles was the most valuable right fielder in baseball with 5.7 wins. Adrian was the eighth most valuable first baseman with 3.4 wins. If you want to take defense out of the equation, Giles was the second most valuable RF with 32.6 runs, while Adrian was the fifth most valuable 1B with 30.7 runs. Or, to use words, it'd be harder for the Padres to replace Giles' production in right than it would be to replace Adrian's production at first. I hope this helps to further explain my choice of Giles as the MVPadre. Giles and Gonzalez did end the year pretty close in the offensive categories. Giles had five points on Gonzalez in EqA while Adrian had a two point lead in OPS+. But Giles still takes the edge in defense, I believe.

While UZR is an incomplete statistic for assessing first baseman, which is where a list like Tangotiger’s comes in handy, Adrian scored really poorly.

(Although, now that I mention it, I should say that Tt’s fan scouting report runs in contrast with what UZR says. It ranks Adrian as a 73 defender and Giles a 60. It also has Berkman at 66.)

(And after mentioning that, I should mention that +/- has Berkman and Giles in the top 4 at their respective positions, while Adrian isn’t in the top 10.)

Either way, I stand by my stance that Giles was a superior defender in right than Adrian was at first.

And one thing I didn’t bring up in the article was the important of the positions they play.

Using Fangraph’s value wins statistic (which are mentioned in the article), Giles was the most valuable right fielder in baseball with 5.7 wins. Adrian was the eighth most valuable first baseman with 3.4 wins. If you want to take defense out of the equation, Giles was the second most valuable RF with 32.6 runs, while Adrian was the fifth most valuable 1B with 30.7 runs. Or, to use words, it’d be harder for the Padres to replace Giles’ production in right than it would be to replace Adrian’s production at first.

I hope this helps to further explain my choice of Giles as the MVPadre.

]]> By: friar faithful http://thesacrificebunt.com/852/your-2008-most-valuable-padre-is/comment-page-1/#comment-2216 friar faithful Fri, 09 Jan 2009 08:11:41 +0000 http://thesacrificebunt.com/?p=852#comment-2216 I could not disagree with this article more. First of all, in my opinion Adrian leading in every major offensive category makes him a better hitter than Giles. Secondly i think that Adrian is a better first baseman than Giles is an Outfielder, no first baseman in the league has a better arm than Adrian. Due to these factors i think that the choice is clear that Adrian is the MVPadre. I could not disagree with this article more. First of all, in my opinion Adrian leading in every major offensive category makes him a better hitter than Giles. Secondly i think that Adrian is a better first baseman than Giles is an Outfielder, no first baseman in the league has a better arm than Adrian. Due to these factors i think that the choice is clear that Adrian is the MVPadre.

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