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The Padres All-Time 25-Man Roster

December 17th, 2010 by

Any Fangraphs junkies out there may have noticed the site recently added a Multiple Season filter to their stats section. With this, I thought I’d go through the years and fill out the titular Padres roster using WAR.

Of course, this isn’t a perfect measure. Since UZR only dates back to 2002, all WAR are not created equal back to 1969. Luckily, Baseball Reference uses Total Zone for their defensive stats, which is more even, if less comprehensive, through the decades. Even with these two stats, things weren’t perfect, so with a combination of frog DNA and my own Padres knowledge, I filled in the gaps as best I could. This is the result.


C: Gene Tenace (1977-80)
1B: Adrian Gonzalez (2006-10)
2B: Mark Loretta (2003-05)
3B: Ken Caminiti (1995-98)
SS: Ozzie Smith (1978-81)
LF: Dave Winfield (1973-80)
CF: Mark Kotsay (2001-03)
RF: Tony Gwynn (1982-2001)


C: Terry Kennedy (1981-86)
1B: Phil Nevin (1999-2005)
2B: Bip Roberts (1986, 1988-91, 1994-95)
SS: Khalil Greene (2003-08)
LF: Gene Richards (1977-83)
RF: Brian Giles (2003-09)


SP: Jake Peavy (2002-09)
SP: Andy Benes (1989-95)
SP: Kevin Brown (1998)
SP: Randy Jones (1973-80)
SP: Andy Ashby (1993-99)


CL: Trevor Hoffman (1993-2008)
SU: Heath Bell (2007-Present)
RP: Goose Gossage (1984-87)
RP: Mark Davis (1987-89, 1993-94)
RP: Scott Linebrink (2003-07)
LR: Eric Show (1981-90)

Now tell me where I’m wrong.

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“Adrian Gonzalez just will not stop hijacking my weekend.”

December 6th, 2010 by

I don’t think this will come as a surprise to anyone, but I’m really cool. My days and my nights are filled with the hottest parties, traveling, and everything else cool people do but luckily for me, I finally had an open schedule this past weekend. That is, until Jed Hoyer and Theo Epstein got together.

It’s hard to simply put into words how wild this weekend was. First Adrian was traded to Boston, then he wasn’t, then he was again. But instead of giving you a watered down recap, I’m going to give you the authentic. The following is taken straight from our twitter (, is uncensored and unadulterated, and gives you a window into the mind of a maniac named Ray (not really). Enjoy.

Boston Red Sox near deal for Adrian Gonzalez of San Diego Padres, sources say: The Padres were close to finalizi…

The one that started it all. This tweet came in late (for me) Friday night and while there was some cynicism at the time, I think many of us have been taking a wait and see approach for years, it turned out that the time had finally come.

Boo I want Lowire

Oh past me, you have no idea what’s coming.

@maestro876 Yeah, I’m not sure how I feel about that either. Lowrie would go a long way for us.

With the talk that the Padres would only be getting minor league players in return spreading, I stood by my Jed Lowrie guns. Oh past me again.

@woedoctor It’s interesting that the article makes no reference to Lowrie, either in a deal or as a Red Sock in 2011.

lol give it a rest

What would Rizzo mean for Kyle Blanks?

Good question, past me. I’m still a big fan of the Delorean (by the way, that’s his new nickname. Please use it) despite his fading popularity and I expect big things out of him. While acquiring Rizzo could simply be a matter of taking the best talent available, I wonder if Hoyer shares my optimism in Blanks.

@mickeykoke Kelly has to be obligatory. I’d think any problems would be for Boston to solve, not Jed.

Like a duck to water I was.

@BR_ToddKaufmann I’m wondering if he’s looking at it as top minor league talent over just pretty good major league talent.

Reading around the internet, many of the complaints regarding the trade have to do with Hoyer not receiving any major league-ready talent in return. Personally, I’d rather not try to cram a square peg into a round hole and since my Lowrie dream had sailed, that seemed like the other option.

@BR_ToddKaufmann The point should be to maximize our return and if Hoyer’s not sold on the core as it is, he might as well build the future.

There’s also this. Maybe it’s just me, but I’ve yet to get the impression that Hoyer thinks the 2010 Padres were a club that could do repeat business. Rather than go the Gunslinger route and throw on bandage after bandage, I hypothesized that Hoyer’s ready to put his own stamp on the team, which now includes Kelly, Rizzo, and Fuentes. We’ll see how that prediction goes.

@BR_ToddKaufmann Latos, Kelly, Castro, Luebke will make for a solid front four.

Yup. Along with Latos, the Padres have two top 15 pitching prospects and Luebke. They may not all make it, but I doubt they all won’t make it.

Given what we know about Ludwick and pressure, how’s he going to react to being the big dog once Adrian’s gone?

Ray Lankford, master of psychology.

@jorgearangure I’m still holding out hope that Hoyer gets Lowrie thrown in.

Gah! Before you know it, I’m going to be out in the bushes behind Lowrie’s house.

And I was just about to go to sleep @NCTPadres Just was told#Padres-#RedSox deal would only involve Adrian Gonzalez and is “close.”

Good thing I didn’t, I guess.

Hoyer trades Adrian, takes his chances with the kids.

Welcome to Saturday morning. After the trade was first announced, though not confirmed, I threw my reaction to the trade up on the board. Go read it!

@Kevin_Goldstein @jorgearangure Does Kelly become the number one prospect?

Not to speak for Mr. Goldstein but yes, yes he does.

Mel here. My only concern, it’s a minor one, is that Jed pulls a Dayton Moore and overvalues what he knows. Back of my kind kind of thing.

Melvin’s contribution. We’ll get back to this idea a little later.

If we keep Blanks and he keeps 88, can we call him The Delorean?

That sounds like a fantastic idea.

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned today: We’ve still got Bud Black, the best manager of young players in baseball.

I may not love that robot but the kids sure seem to.

One positive from today: Gunslinging in San Diego is officially dead.

There were many positives from Saturday, but this may been the positivest.

@FollowThePadres I’d give it a solid B. I’m excited by Kelly’s potential and Fuentes is intriguing, but I don’t understand acquiring Rizzo.

Again, I understand Rizzo. In baseball, when it comes to prospects, it’s best to get the best talent available regardless of position. But considring that said talent happened to be at a position of depth, I think a B is a fair grade.

After getting used to the idea of Kelly and Rizzo, I’m going to be kind of upset if we don’t get them.

And welcome to Sunday.

It’s five past. Did the trade happen or not?!?

Major League Baseball set a ([very] soft) deadline of 2pm EST for the Red Sox to work out an extension with Adrian. The idea was that Boston would kill the trade if they couldn’t hammer out an extension and as 2pm EST rolled around, things got a little tense.

Adrian Gonzalez just will not stop hijacking my weekend.


If Adrian turns down 6-years, $160 million, I will literally eat him alive.

After the deadline came and “went,” rumors started swirling about how much money we were talking about. The 6/160 numbers were thrown out and whether or not it was actually offered, I stand by my comments.

Wooooo! @Joelsherman1 Heard #Redsox might be ok doing parameters with Gonzo, finalize in spring if healthy #Padres.

Nooooo! @SI_JonHeyman Source; gonzalez deal fell thru

These were back-to-back tweets and this was that kind of day.

Can we talk about the Padres saying they won’t field any other offers? That won’t really help squash the ‘collusion’ talk.

Back to Melvin’s point (sort of). Among the rumors that were swirled, it was said that Hoyer said he wouldn’t try again if these particular Adrian talks broke down. That means it was Boston for good or bad, which becomes suspicious when you consider that Hoyer used to work for Boston and got what many people believe was a below-average deal. It was mostly just anxiety enduced ramblings, but it gives a good picture of how the day went.

After seeing the Werth extension, I understand why Adrian’s playing such hardball.

In the midst of Adrianpalooza, Jayson Werth signed a deal (though not an extension. Why did I say extension?) with the Nationals for roughly 26 years and $4.5 billion. This was bad for Boston and not only because he had been a target of theirs.

Nationals have single-handedly ended all discussion of possible collusion.

I re-tweeted Buster Olney taking out the trash.

WOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!! @SI_JonHeyman A gon is now a red sox

Finally? Finally.

WOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!! @SI_JonHeyman prospects will remain same in deal. Going to #padres are kelly, rizzo, fuentes and 4th prospect

There we go. All’s well that ends well…

Adrian’s press conference is tomorrow at 11am EST. That means we’ll get our first horrible look at him in a Red Sox cap in about 12 hours.

Sort of.

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Jed loves the kids

December 4th, 2010 by

Before wearing out his welcome in Miami and coming to San Diego, Cameron Maybin was a top prospect. In 2007, he was rated the sixth best prospect in all of baseball. His teammate, left-handed pitcher Andrew Miller, was rated the tenth best prospect in baseball and together, they were shipped from Detroit to the Marlins for Miguel Cabrera. It was a mega-trade in the style these kind of things tend to be: two major prospects for one of the best players in baseball. It was a fair deal for both teams, or at least it was as fair of a deal as Florida would get.

Cut to three years later. Cabrera remains one of the best players in the league, Maybin was traded for a couple of middle relievers, and Miller was just non-tendered by the Red Sox. So it goes with prospects. As Padre fans, it’s a reality we know all too well. Our own former top prospect, Matt Antonelli, was also non-tendered this week. There’s no such thing as a sure thing when it comes to a minor league player, which is going to make the Adrian Gonzalez trade feel like we’re stepping out on an invisible bridge.

After years of teasing, the Padres and Red Sox have made reality of the rumors as Adrian is shipping up to Boston. It’s as surprising as a foregone conclusion can be. Once Jed Hoyer came over and his staff was filled with ex-Red Sox front office guys (Jason “Duncan” McLeod, Josh Byrnes as of this week), the fit was just a little too snug. These guys know too much about the Red Sox system and they know which players to target. Which is good, because with a deal that includes no major league players, people are going to expect that they’re certain with their picks.

Casey Kelly, Anthony Rizzo, Reymond Fuentes. These are the names of your new hope, Padres fans. Anyone expecting Clay Buchholz will surely be disappointed–but this is something of a buyer’s market. The Red Sox are playing for a World Series title and trading one of the better pitchers in the league wouldn’t help achieve that goal. But then, as a double agent, Hoyer would know that, right?

This is going to be a hard one to swallow. In fact, I’m pretty sure it’s already stuck in a lot of throats out there. The Padres just traded one of the best players in the league and franchise history for a handful of players who may or may not pan out. Like Jorge Arangure said on twitter, “(The) Gonzalez trade will make or break Padres franchise for years to come. Big decision for Hoyer.” I don’t have to tell you about the limitations this franchise has, or that our only real hope is to produce our own talent. Ideally, this trade will help set us up for the best case scenario, Kelly joins Mat Latos and Simon Castro to give the Padres the kind of rotation that leads teams to the World Series. But what if he doesn’t?

Without Adrian, it will be hard for the Padres to compete in 2011. Chase Headley will become the elder statesman. It will fall to the new class of Padres, including Cameron Maybin, to make things work. And while the former Boston farmhands develop (or not) down below, everyone in San Diego will be forced to sit and wait and hope that when the time comes, something’s there to catch us when we step out.

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